Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.

 Zion and Jerusalem, March 7, 2013

Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.

(New Testament | John 3:11)

Here is evidence that the word of God or all scripture is good or profitable for reproof, for correction and for instruction in righteousness.  

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

(New Testament | 2 Timothy 3:16 - 17)

Certain man named  SteveL said to me in response to a post I published in response to another post written by Bobby Gilpin

http://mormonisminvestigated.co.uk/2013/03/02/teachings-of-the-prophet-lorenzo-snow-chapter-5-the-grand-destiny-of-the-faithful/?replytocom=5665

SteveL says:

March 6, 2013 at 9:15 pm

Miguel, I clicked on the link you provided and saw, amongst other things, a lot of name-calling and finger-pointing directed at Bobby. Here are some examples:-

“But you Bobby, ignorantly talking about things that you do not know chose to follow the council of the Devil ”

“stop feeding from the dust that the devil gives you”

“He knows the truth as much as Satan”

I am very concerned by this tone. Firstly, you are putting yourself in a position of judgement regarding Bobby, by claiming that he is talking about things he does not know. You are free to disagree with him, but I think you should stick to the perceived flaws in his argument instead of just saying that he doesn’t know what he is talking about. Of more concern however, is that you are claiming that he is following ‘dust’ and ‘council’ from the Devil. Having read Bobby’s post, his argument is put across relying fully on the Bible to back up all of his claims. Are you really trying to imply, as a follower of Christ, that the Bible contains the council of the Devil, or should be called ‘dust’ from the Devil?

Miguel, you then go on to say:

” you Bobby, know about GOD but do not know him unless you do what he did every wit. And that is being Christ like”

You are setting a high standard here Miguel. Are you living up to this standard? Do you do everything that God does?? I doubt it. No human has or ever will fulfil the law, that is why Christ has done it for us. It is more important to live by this: “if anyone loves God, this one is known by Him” – (1 Corinthians 8:3) Are you known by God?

Let’s get back to Bobby’s post. It is challenging the LDS teaching that God was once a man and that we can become gods, using Biblical teaching to prove that this is not the case, and using plenty of LDS quotes to prove that LDS beliefs and practices contradict the Biblical view. Has he presented the differences between the LDS view and the Biblical view clearly and fairly or not?

 

Previous to the above comment, Bobby said that he agrees with me,

Bobby says:

March 5, 2013 at 10:17 pm

Thanks Miguel, and my name is BOBBY haha,

I have checked your post and I can only say I agree with you, please people reading this compare the two sides to this discussion.

Reply

Bus as you had read, the Devil jumped in and showed up to defend Bobby and before that the devil in Bobby also laughed.

And this is my response to all of them who listen to the devil and eat from us dust like him.  

Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the LORD, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us?  and who knoweth us? Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not?  or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

(Old Testament | Isaiah 29:15 - 16)

And it is also written to those that want to be saved and do what the LORD has asked us all to do, so that they know how angels fire at filthy souls.

My name is Miguel Angel, the purpose here brethren is not to offend anyone but to stir to repentance the wicked soul with the truth. And when we endeavor to serve the LORD at all cost, it is not possible to do it without offending the devil, for he gets offended at every act of righteousness we perform. And the word of God which is in me, is like a sharp sword sharper than a sword of two edges, that cuts asunder joint and marrow. It only pierces the wicked soul because they find the truth hard and it pierces them to the very center. And because the word is good it causes a reaction and that is the evidence of your wickedness.

My struggle is not against flesh or blood brethren, but against spiritual entities entrenched in high places. And when I fight them, I do it girded with the whole amour of God. This is no child’s play, this is a fight to the death, and  if you cannot stand the tone or the fire do not start one. For as the prophets said, we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

(New Testament | Ephesians 6:12)

I only say what I see and what I hear I speak. If you do not know what eating dust is or means that is your problem. I have seen Bobby as a ravenous wolf persecuting me and eating dust because the devil is in him and I have detected him. I have told him so already, but he does not believe it. And unless all of you rise up from the dust, that is your fallen condition, that is your carnal, sensual and sign and proof seeking devilish nature, which make you idolaters and adulterers, you will not see the light of day or understand doctrines that are beyond the reach of most people. I say idolaters because you call my God the god of the Bible as if he were not your god also. And adulterers because you adulterate his written word as the ancient Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and publicans, and in so doing you apostatize and depart from him whoring as the infidels after other gods.  And what Christ justly said to them, I say unto you in a way of remembrance and my judgment is right: The wicked and adulterous generation demands proof or a sing but no sing or proof will be given but the sings of the prophet Jonas.  Behold the word of the LORD which says:

An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here. The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.

(New Testament | Matthew 12:39 - 42)

You come to us trying to dissect our doctrines and teachings, as if the burden of proof was in us to satisfy your lusts and concupiscence.  If you have a problem with our beliefs and doctrines take it up with God who gave them to us. If you ask in faith he will tell you and you will know as we know. Yet without asking for the mind of GOD you cannot comprehend what you do not know. Because you want to run before learning to walk. What you are doing is fault finding, criticizing, meddling and wrestling instead of feasting upon the word of GOD. It is like dissecting or talking about or what is inside a walled city from without by reasoning alone. It would be like teaching a six year old boy how to create an atomic bomb.  This is what you are ever learning. You want to know, but never come to knowledge of the truth because you believe that knowing is more important than practicing what you already know. The testimony that you purport to give or challenge is not true; it is mainly a theory. And this is why you do not enquire of GOD to know as we know. And if you do enquire of him, you do not do it with real intent or to act upon the given answer. You carnal nature will not allow you to trust, not just any feeling, but the fruits of the spirit then to do as you are supposed to do. And because you are double minded and doubtful you do not receive anything more from the LORD as James explained in his epistle when he said:

 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering.  For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

(New Testament | James 1:5 - 8)

And then, since you will not believe the truth, the spirit of the devil sets in and you are more likely to believe a lie.

In my previous post I gave you a living example of eternal progression and you saw it not. I do not write of my own self but by the power of the Holy Ghost and the authority of our father in heaven, so unless you speedily repent, yea, very speedily, in the last day my words will rise as a bright testimony against you or for your eternal damnation.

Now, you complaint that I am raising the bar to high and ask if I live what I preach; and the answer is a resounding YES without a shadow of a doubt.  We know that the mind is corrupt and also all flesh and than none of us can do any good, save there is the Holy Ghost in us. For the LORD requires the heart and a willing mind. And at heart we are perfect even as God is perfect and we lie not. And with this power we woefully submit the minds and the flesh to be very obedient in all things unto GOD. This is the very purpose of the everlasting covenant or of being born again, so that the LORD would write in our hearts and in our minds his commandments, laws, status, truth, justice, judgments and mercy so we can finally walk upright and do, see and the talk even as he did. Christ showed us the way the same way that Columbus showed the way for all the colonist and conquistadores after him.

 

Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel. And they shall come thither, and they shall take away all the detestable things thereof and all the abominations thereof from thence. And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh: That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.

(Old Testament | Ezekiel 11:17 - 20)

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

(Old Testament | Jeremiah 31:33 - 34)

For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

(New Testament | Hebrews 8:7 - 12)

You also brag that Joseph Smith boasted of doing greater works than Christ and this offends you.  But, even if he did boast, he spoke the truth. NO other man has done more for the salvation of men since Adam, except Jesus Christ. And that is the truth. Had Jesus remained in the world with us, then no one would have done greater works than him. The LORD Jesus Christ himself said it did not he?

Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

(New Testament | John 14:11 - 13)

It would be unreasonable of a just God to give us commandments and or laws that we cannot keep. He did not come to destroy the law but to fulfill it. The old things passed away but the commandments remained.  The nature of the sacrifices changed, we are no longer to offer unto him the blood of rams, lams and goats because that was the law of a broken covenant and he came to fulfill it. And instead he now requires as a sacrifice true repentance or a broken heart and a contrite spirit.

Besides, brethren, as the scriptures claim the commandments are not cumbersome. Has not the LORD said even from ancient times, sanctify yourselves and be ye holy because I am Holy. And did he not say it again when he said be ye perfect even as our father who is in heaven is perfect. And when he was perfected himself after the resurrection did not he say to my fathers in the Book of Mormon, be ye perfect as my father and I are perfect? Now what he did as in the Columbus and the egg examples is viable.  What was impossible is now possible. And it cannot come without a true conversion.

Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I am the LORD your God.

(Old Testament | Leviticus 20:7)

Let your heart therefore be perfect with the LORD our God, to walk in his statutes, and to keep his commandments, as at this day.

(Old Testament | 1 Kings 8:61)

Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

(New Testament | 1 Peter 1:16)

Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

(New Testament | Matthew 5:48)

And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.

(New Testament | Luke 13:32)

For we are glad, when we are weak, and ye are strong: and this also we wish, even your perfection.

(New Testament | 2 Corinthians 13:9)

Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

(New Testament | Philippians 3:15)

Therefore I would that ye should be perfect even as I, or your Father who is in heaven is perfect.

(Book of Mormon | 3 Nephi 12:48)

Now, you guys also claim that you have been born again Christians, but that is not true. That is not how the spirit of GOD operates. There is no Christ yet in you. You have barely begun the process of conversion which is a very different animal or nature if you will call it that. Yes, you may have exercised a measure of faith in Jesus Christ unto repentance of your major sins and thus far changed some of your evil ways. You have planted the seed but without the living waters it cannot bear fruit. As soon as the plant springs up in your sterile or dry hearts, it is devoured by the scorching sun. But what you ignore is that the sins remain in you because you will not by the door in the way of life and salvation.  If you had Christ in you or you truly believe in him, you would want to put water in that heart or wash your sins away so it can bear fruit. And since you doubted, the spirit of the devil entered in you and this is why you persecute and attack the saints of GOD. How can you then understand heavenly things, if you would not believe in the temporal things when they are plainly made manifest:

You are kicking against the pricks brethren, even just as Paul did before he saw the light. And you also claim belief in Paul but forsake to do as he did. And the reason because the door is not opened to you is because you do not knock and do not ask. What did Paul ask? He said; LORD WHAT WILL YOU HAVE ME DO? Then he submitted to the LORD went to Ananias, but before that he repented for three days in bitter anguish, with praying and fasting; then the hands were laid on him and he was healed, he was baptized and commissioned with the great commission. Likewise happened with Nicodemus; and  with Cornelius the righteous centurion; and with those during the day of Pentecost. That is the pattern or the example that Christ set. These are the works he requires for our salvation so we can claim grace and mercy and be saved at the last day; here is the law and the testimony:

And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do?  And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do. And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.  And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus. And he was three days without sight, and neither did eat nor drink.

And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias.  And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord. And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth, And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.  Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem: And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name. But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake. And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost. And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized. And when he had received meat, he was strengthened.  Then was Saul certain days with the disciples which were at Damascus. And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.

(New Testament | Acts 9:6 - 20)

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old?  can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

(New Testament | John 3:3 - 12)

Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him. The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:) That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judæa, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.

And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God.  Then answered Peter,

Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.  Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

(New Testament | Acts 10:34 - 48)

Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

(New Testament | Acts 2:37 - 39)

As you see brethren, we not only talk biblical doctrines, we eat and drink them and we know them because we do them. That what we do and preach is Christ, crucified, a stumbling block for the wicked but the power of GOD unto salvation to those who believe whether they are Jews or gentiles for the promised can reach even unto all. In other words unlike most of you so clled Christians, we walk the talk.

Unfortunately, for you the heavens and the mouth of GOD are shut as brass and the earth in your hearts is hard as iron. You do not believe that he can talk to people now as he did anciently. You are as scared of him as the children of Israel were when he begun to talk to them and they could not bear it. Instead they said, this will kill us, no, Moses, we rather want GOD to speak to you and then you speak to us. And is not this eating dust or the dust of dead meat? You want to know God with your mind and flesh but not with your heart.  You believe in the dead prophets but you do not believe in the living ones.  With this you are saying that God is not a god of miracles but partial god that was kind and merciful enough to talk to the ancients but not us. Is that the god that say that he is the same yesterday, today and forever? In other words, you only believe or merely know about the mortal and dead Christ and not in the living one. Anything else escapes your mind and intellect like broken cisterns or clouds that cannot hold any water or in a continual state of apostasy. You are building your faith in a broken covenant languishing in dead works. And this is why you never come to the knowledge of the truth.  

Now when you do the things that he did or his good works, only then you will begin to know him as he truly is.

The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.

(Old Testament | Isaiah 24:5)

For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.

(Old Testament | Isaiah 60:2)

Verily, verily, I say unto you, darkness covereth the earth, and gross darkness the minds of the people, and all flesh has become corrupt before my face.

(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 112:23)

Be astonished, O ye heavens, at this, and be horribly afraid, be ye very desolate, saith the LORD. For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.

(Old Testament | Jeremiah 2:12 - 13)

And this is my witness, and the witness is true because I speak with the authority of our father in heaven. Jesus Christ came to the world with perfect attributes of truth, grace, justice and mercy so we can put our trust in him. And if we do, we will do all that he commands us for he never gives a commandment unto the children men without first preparing the way before them so that they can accomplish what he has commanded. His thoughts are not our thoughts and his ways are not our ways, nor does the words that proceeds out of his mouth return unto him empty without fulfilling that which he had intended. And he has said and decreed, repent all of you ends of the earth and come unto me and be baptized in my name, that ye may be sanctified by the reception of he Holy Ghost so that you may be found spotless before me in the last day. And unless we all do this we cannot be saved for nothing impure can dwell in his presence. For the LORD has spoken it and this is the commandment

Now this is the commandment: Repent, all ye ends of the earth, and come unto me and be baptized in my name, that ye may be sanctified by the reception of the Holy Ghost, that ye may stand spotless before me at the last day. Verily, verily, I say unto you, this is my gospel; and ye know the things that ye must do in my church; for the works which ye have seen me do that shall ye also do; for that which ye have seen me do even that shall ye do; Therefore, if ye do these things blessed are ye, for ye shall be lifted up at the last day.

(Book of Mormon | 3 Nephi 27:20 - 22)

Behold I have given unto you my gospel, and this is the gospel which I have given unto you—that I came into the world to do the will of my Father, because my Father sent me. And my Father sent me that I might be lifted up upon the cross; and after that I had been lifted up upon the cross, that I might draw all men unto me, that as I have been lifted up by men even so should men be lifted up by the Father, to stand before me, to be judged of their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil— And for this cause have I been lifted up; therefore, according to the power of the Father I will draw all men unto me, that they may be judged according to their works.

And it shall come to pass, that whoso repenteth and is baptized in my name shall be filled; and if he endureth to the end, behold, him will I hold guiltless before my Father at that day when I shall stand to judge the world. And he that endureth not unto the end, the same is he that is also hewn down and cast into the fire, from whence they can no more return, because of the justice of the Father.

And this is the word which he hath given unto the children of men.  And for this cause he fulfilleth the words which he hath given, and he lieth not, but fulfilleth all his words. And no unclean thing can enter into his kingdom; therefore nothing entereth into his rest save it be those who have washed their garments in my blood, because of their faith, and the repentance of all their sins, and their faithfulness unto the end.

(Book of Mormon | 3 Nephi 27:13 - 19)

These things are true and faithful; I humbly declare them and record them or seal them on earth and in heaven. And I do it with a single eye for the honor and glory of God. And I do it as one having authority, in the sacred name of Jesus Christ, amen.

Yours truly from an unworthy servant in the hands of Christ

Miguel Angel Tinoco Rodriguez

Wherefore, fear and tremble, O ye people, for what I the Lord have decreed in them shall be fulfilled. And verily I say unto you, that they who go forth, bearing these tidings unto the inhabitants of the earth, to them is power given to seal both on earth and in heaven, the unbelieving and rebellious; Yea, verily, to seal them up unto the day when the wrath of God shall be poured out upon the wicked without measure—  Unto the day when the Lord shall come to recompense unto every man according to his work, and measure to every man according to the measure which he has measured to his fellow man.

Wherefore the voice of the Lord is unto the ends of the earth, that all that will hear may hear:  Prepare ye, prepare ye for that which is to come, for the Lord is nigh; And the anger of the Lord is kindled, and his sword is bathed in heaven, and it shall fall upon the inhabitants of the earth. And the arm of the Lord shall be revealed; and the day cometh that they who will not hear the voice of the Lord, neither the voice of his servants, neither give heed to the words of the prophets and apostles, shall be cut off from among the people; For they have strayed from mine ordinances, and have broken mine everlasting covenant; They seek not the Lord to establish his righteousness, but every man walketh in his own way, and after the image of his own god, whose image is in the likeness of the world, and whose substance is that of an idol, which waxeth old and shall perish in Babylon, even Babylon the great, which shall fall.

Wherefore, I the Lord, knowing the calamity which should come upon the inhabitants of the earth, called upon my servant Joseph Smith, Jun., and spake unto him from heaven, and gave him commandments; And also gave commandments to others, that they should proclaim these things unto the world; and all this that it might be fulfilled, which was written by the prophets— The weak things of the world shall come forth and break down the mighty and strong ones, that man should not counsel his fellow man, neither trust in the arm of flesh— But that every man might speak in the name of God the Lord, even the Savior of the world; That faith also might increase in the earth; That mine everlasting covenant might be established; That the fulness of my gospel might be proclaimed by the weak and the simple unto the ends of the world, and before kings and rulers.

(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 1:7 - 23)

The people answered and said, Thou hast a devil: who goeth about to kill thee?

Zion and Jerusalem, February 25, 2013

The people answered and said, Thou hast a devil: who goeth about to kill thee?

(New Testament | John 7:20)

Dear Bobby Gilpin, good morning to you too.

Dear friend, I also hope all is good on that side of the Atlantic river, but I am not so sure all is well. Believe it or not, or amuse you or not, I had a terrible encounter and exchange with the enemies of all righteousness yesterday. For it is written: The zeal of my Father’s house eats me up, and the reproach of them that reproach him has fallen upon me in these latter days.

For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up; and the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me.

(Old Testament | Psalms 69:9)

It is because the money exchangers of this wicked and perverse generation, have turned my father’s house in a den or robbers. And I believe, as Christ did, I overthrew the table of some if not all the money exchangers. And they got very mad at me. And in extreme persecution, I saw the Devil as an old wolf, white and creamy in appearance in my dreams still persecuting me fiercely. But the Good LORD and merciful LORD provided me wings, good speed and an affordable escape from his grasp. And when he could not fetch me, he bruised my heel and started sniffing and crying to me with a question like this, that now, that I had detected his robbery, that how then, was he going to be able to eat. Then when I was in a safe distance from him, I saw him, sniffing and eating dust. And then I woke up. For it is written.

For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up; and the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me.

(Old Testament | Psalms 69:9)

And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

(Old Testament | Genesis 3:14 - 15)

I am not just telling you this. I do not know how it pertains to you other that I told you a day or so ago, that I also fight against spiritual entities of the unseen world.  This is just my way of recording what I see, hear and do in my dreams and of what will shortly come to pass so I do not forger it.  I write all things and this manuscript is one of my books of remembrances.

NOW, Bobby Gilpin you said to me, both the day before yesterday and today all these words:

“Thanks for that bud, I would be interested to know how you feel I am persecuting you? I am guessing that in reality you are using that as a quote from Christ to make a point rather than it is actually the case.

I am still waiting for a response from you on my blog to my last comment so I will wait on that before I respond to above.

love you bud good to be in touch,.

“Morning Miguel, hope all is good.

I like you man, I think we are both similar in that we are very confident of our positions. I have chosen so far to not give very long answers to you as you are putting that much work in, it helps me know where you are coming from early on in our discussions. Its a little amusing that you are using many of the same bible verses I have used with Mormons in the past, this can be done to justify any position but I understand your thought behind it.

I sometimes wish Mormons would stand back and look at how they make themselves sound with this cry of persecution. You are saying that I am persecuting you like the Apostle Paul did with Christians before His conversion, I mean really???? Am I going out there killing Mormons, I am happy to say this is not the case.

My purpose in what I do is to help Mormons see that their salvation is not dependant upon, priesthood authority, or temple ordnances or church attendance or tithing and so on, but rather it is completely and 100% found in trusting in Christ. I know I am going to be with Christ in eternity because I have Him interceding for me and because I carry His righteousness. No sin has been imputed to me certainly through talking to you nor at all as there is no condemnation for those that are in Christ (Romans 8:1)

I would be interested to talk some more to you bud, you can carry on giving me 5 pages of religious speak every time if you want, or just tell me about yourself how long have you been Mormon? Are you a part of the salt lake church or another movement? Where are you from?

Or you can just cry persecution some more, your choice.

Love you bud and talk soon”

And my reply to you and to all that may give heed with all due respect and formality is this:

Indeed Bobby, Indeed the LORD is pleading your cause.  And I am showing you that I love you more than you love me or like me. I have no reservations whatsoever and I do not dispute that I do err in details, but almost never in principle for faith is not a perfect knowledge.  But it is a hard thing to kick against the pricks as you and your companions are doing with a lot of traitors, apostates and dissenters of our church to your own hurt. Have you not read the scriptures that says that the stone that the builders rejected has become the corner stone. And that whosever shall fall upon this rock shall be rent in pieces. And that onto whosoever this stone falls will be grinded unto powder. Here is the law and the testimony:”

Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste. Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.

(Old Testament | Isaiah 28:16 - 17)

(Old Testament | Isaiah 28:16 - 22)

And he beheld them, and said, What is this then that is written, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner? Whosoever shall fall upon that stone shall be broken; but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

(New Testament | Luke 20:17 - 18)

Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

(New Testament | 1 Peter 2:6 - 8)

Bobby, can’t you see that you are kicking agsint the pricks. Instead of using the light and knowledge that you have in the scriptures, you are using it to attack the greater light.  You are a man of no small reputation. I do not know about the fellows that are with you, but you are a worthy contender and I have not given up on you just yet. And the LORD is calling you to fight for him and his cause and not against him if you are willing as Paul to suffer for his cause.  And only then the scales that are preventing you from seeing the light and truth in the resorted Church of Jesus Christ will being to fall from your eyes and you as Paul becomes worthy to suffer for the kingdom as Paul did.  But how can that happen unless you first exercise faith and take the initiation steps.

Here is the great prologue. Maybe this will help you refresh your memory and reconsider your perspectives against us. In the great prologue perhaps you can see that we are here from the beginning and that we are here to stay forever and ever. You have no chance against us. It is not us who you are fighting but Jesus Christ, our founding father and the rock of eternity. 

THE GREAT PROLOGUE

By

Mark E Petersen.

http://speeches.byu.edu/?act=viewitem&id=1024

If you were following righteousness as you ignorantly claim, you would be doing Abraham works, or better yet Christ works, for he propitiated a more excellent way.  And He, the LORD did this: He showed to the Father that he would be obedient in all things. Second that he will not put himself above the law. So, he fulfilled all righteousness by doing what? By  coming to us, or by going to John the Baptist, the only authorized and worthy priest of his time, to be property baptized; and to show unto the Father his humility and to be able to return to his exalted position that he held in heaven.  So thus far, Bobby, the works that the LORD did, or that we believe he did we must also do. Therefore, the ritual or sign of baptism is essential, when performed correctly and by the proper authority. This shows the authorities of God on earth and in the heavens that you are willing to make covenants with God obey him in all things. And the heavens in response bestow upon you the gift of the Holy Ghost, by which you can when proven faithful in all things be baptized with fire and with the Holy Ghost. And that is barely the entrance or gate of the kingdom of heaven. 

There are other steps to follow and then all is left is to w endure to the end in retaining the remission of our sins. But which convert, but Christ and little children, have not sinned after baptism and before being baptized with fire and of the Holy Ghost If any at all.  If any at all, there are very few or none, for the scriptures tell us that there is not one righteous, not even one. And if there is one, it must be because of the power of the Holy Ghost that guided that person in righteousness.  And no one, not even Christ could have received this right, but until he was himself baptized and followed the first steps that he has commanded us all to follow, if we truly love him. And this is why works are essential up to this point. And because we are not perfect yet, we grow grace by grace until by obedience and sacrifice, among other things, we attain the stature of Christ and are made equal or one him.   Then we proceed with the rest of the ordinances of the gospel you may or may not know about. 

Now, I actually see the same potential in you as Paul in you.  You may even be a priesthood holder with the same privileges as us any of us, pending you repent, you have are properly baptized and receive the gift of the Holy Ghost by the lying of hands. And then you can expect to be ordained, but that is a decision that you alone will have to make as we did. But, you may never be in this life, unless you come and get your blessings from us or after you are death you can be ordained with the express purpose so that you can stand in the presence of GOD and face judgment. 

Now, what did Paul say to the LORD when he was struck by the light and became blinded? He asked the LORD something like this. What will you have me do LORD?  The LORD did not even forgive his sins on the spot. But he was directed to go to an elder of the Church, which was already under way and blessed him so he could receive his sight. Then he baptized him, receive the gift of the Holy Ghost and then and there he was sent out into the world with the great commission, to preach the world and to suffer as you see me suffer for righteousness sake. For the LORD had said to him who would baptize him and ordain him, that he would show how much Paul would have to suffer for his redemption and/or for the LORD’s cause.  Before he can be blessed he had three serious days of retrospection in the very gall of bitterness and repenting of all the evil he had committed against the church and the saints. He as per say did not kill anyone, but consented to their death or confabulated or combined with the enemies of Christ and his church as, you Robert Gilpin have been doing all along. Therefore, Paul fasted until his resolution was made to serve God. Here is the law and the testimony:

AND Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest, And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem. And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:  And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

And he said, Who art thou, Lord?  And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do?  And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man. And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus. And he was three days without sight, and neither did eat nor drink.

And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias.  And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord. And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth, And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight. Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:

And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name. But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake. And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost. And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.

(New Testament | Acts 9:1 - 18)

So, as you see,  Paul had to work his salvation with fear and trembling as we must all do. His great spiritual experience when he saw the light and heard the LORD did not in itself save him, much less authorize him to preach the gospel.  Many of you who claim to be born again Christians due to a great spiritual manifestation by the power of the holy Ghost think that that is it, that you are saved, but you have not followed suit or required of the LORD as Paul did when he said: Lord what wilt thou have me do. And if by any chance you did enquire of the LORD the spirit guided you to our church and you investigate us.  Then you are faced with the questions of whether to believe of not believe. At that moment, you are left alone and the spirit withdraws from you until you make your choice. If you follow thru, then you are baptized, and receive the right to have the spirit of GOD with you always as long as you remain faithful and steadfast. It is not required for you to be perfect at first, even thou some miracles can take place in those who truly seek after the truth. But as long as you are sincerely trying the spirit will help you until you are wholly embraced by him as it did with Christ. Only then, you will receive a witness of heaven of the Father, and of the Son and of the truth of all things that are pertaining to your salvation.  And before you know it, you will also receive a testimony of Jesus Christ, which is the spirit of prophecy and revelation and then you will be able to speak with the tongue of angels or as one having authority.  Your convictions or sensations will not only be visual or mental but heart felt or indelible.  

I will now briefly explain how you are persecuting me and even killing me. And I warn your that we do not deny the scriptures or use them to justify just any point but the truth.  You see, you are fulfilling prophecy. You are saying to me the exact same thing that those who intended to destroy Jesus, his saints and his church did say to him.

The people answered and said, Thou hast a devil: who goeth about to kill thee?

(New Testament | John 7:20)

But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

(New Testament | John 8:40)

And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth me of sin?  And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

(New Testament | John 8:45 - 47)

In the end, for preaching the truth and for declaring the iniquities of the people Jesus was Crucified and Killed.  So where a great many of the prophets, saints and apostles before and after him, William Tyndale, Joseph and Hyrum Smith, among others included. Do I need to give you any more explanations? Therfore, I am not delusional as you may suppose when I also say why are you trying to kill me. The pattern is the same, only a different messenger. As a matter of fact, last night, in the visions of the night dream, I saw a ravenous old wolf or the devil in pursuit running in all his might to attack me. As I said before, we have come to overturn the tables of the money exchangers, to break open their piggy bank with which the lucre, to reprove the word for their evil deeds and in so doing we become disturbers and annoyer of the kingdom of the devil. And for this we are persecuted and hated.

Here is another example of how you are trying to kill me, similar to the experience of Paul which adds or reaffirm the doctrines of the Bible and to overthrow your carnal reasoning and your false doctrines. Do you remember the conversion of Alma the younger in the book of Mormon?  You should read it. You will learn much about yourself by doing that. He was  already a member of the church, but  an unbelieving one. He and the sons of Mosiah, the last standing King before the government of the Judges, they as you were perverting the right ways of the LORD and becoming a great hindrance to those who were truly seeking the truth.  They were persecuting the church and murdering them spiritually, inasmuch that when the missionaries got to them, they believe not in them.  How did they do that? By Lies, by deceptions and calumnies as you are also doing, but pretending that you are doing the LORD’s work, even as the Murderous INQUISITORS who murdered a lot of saints and Jews. And you are one of them. Here is the account of these things that justifies what I have just mentioned about them, because as you, they once were the vilest of sinners.

Now the sons of Mosiah were numbered among the unbelievers; and also one of the sons of Alma was numbered among them, he being called Alma, after his father; nevertheless, he became a very wicked and an idolatrous man.  And he was a man of many words, and did speak much flattery to the people; therefore he led many of the people to do after the manner of his iniquities. And he became a great hinderment to the prosperity of the church of God; stealing away the hearts of the people; causing much dissension among the people; giving a chance for the enemy of God to exercise his power over them.

And now it came to pass that while he was going about to destroy the church of God, for he did go about secretly with the sons of Mosiah seeking to destroy the church, and to lead astray the people of the Lord, contrary to the commandments of God, or even the king— And as I said unto you, as they were going about rebelling against God, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto them; and he descended as it were in a cloud; and he spake as it were with a voice of thunder, which caused the earth to shake upon which they stood; And so great was their astonishment, that they fell to the earth, and understood not the words which he spake unto them. Nevertheless he cried again, saying: Alma, arise and stand forth, for why persecutest thou the church of God?  For the Lord hath said: This is my church, and I will establish it; and nothing shall overthrow it, save it is the transgression of my people. And again, the angel said: Behold, the Lord hath heard the prayers of his people, and also the prayers of his servant, Alma, who is thy father; for he has prayed with much faith concerning thee that thou mightest be brought to the knowledge of the truth; therefore, for this purpose have I come to convince thee of the power and authority of God, that the prayers of his servants might be answered according to their faith. And now behold, can ye dispute the power of God?  For behold, doth not my voice shake the earth?  And can ye not also behold me before you?  And I am sent from God.

(Book of Mormon | Mosiah 27:8 - 15)

And now Alma and those that were with him fell again to the earth, for great was their astonishment; for with their own eyes they had beheld an angel of the Lord; and his voice was as thunder, which shook the earth; and they knew that there was nothing save the power of God that could shake the earth and cause it to tremble as though it would part asunder. And now the astonishment of Alma was so great that he became dumb, that he could not open his mouth; yea, and he became weak, even that he could not move his hands; therefore he was taken by those that were with him, and carried helpless, even until he was laid before his father. And they rehearsed unto his father all that had happened unto them; and his father rejoiced, for he knew that it was the power of God. And he caused that a multitude should be gathered together that they might witness what the Lord had done for his son, and also for those that were with him. And he caused that the priests should assemble themselves together; and they began to fast, and to pray to the Lord their God that he would open the mouth of Alma, that he might speak, and also that his limbs might receive their strength—that the eyes of the people might be opened to see and know of the goodness and glory of God.

And it came to pass after they had fasted and prayed for the space of two days and two nights, the limbs of Alma received their strength, and he stood up and began to speak unto them, bidding them to be of good comfort: For, said he, I have repented of my sins, and have been redeemed of the Lord; behold I am born of the Spirit. And the Lord said unto me: Marvel not that all mankind, yea, men and women, all nations, kindreds, tongues and people, must be born again; yea, born of God, changed from their carnal and fallen state, to a state of righteousness, being redeemed of God, becoming his sons and daughters; And thus they become new creatures; and unless they do this, they can in nowise inherit the kingdom of God. I say unto you, unless this be the case, they must be cast off; and this I know, because I was like to be cast off. Nevertheless, after wading through much tribulation, repenting nigh unto death, the Lord in mercy hath seen fit to snatch me out of an everlasting burning, and I am born of God. My soul hath been redeemed from the gall of bitterness and bonds of iniquity.  I was in the darkest abyss; but now I behold the marvelous light of God.  My soul was racked with eternal torment; but I am snatched, and my soul is pained no more. I rejected my Redeemer, and denied that which had been spoken of by our fathers; but now that they may foresee that he will come, and that he remembereth every creature of his creating, he will make himself manifest unto all.

(Book of Mormon | Mosiah 27:18 - 30)

And the angel spake more things unto me, which were heard by my brethren, but I did not hear them; for when I heard the words—If thou wilt be destroyed of thyself, seek no more to destroy the church of God—I was struck with such great fear and amazement lest perhaps I should be destroyed, that I fell to the earth and I did hear no more. But I was racked with eternal torment, for my soul was harrowed up to the greatest degree and racked with all my sins. Yea, I did remember all my sins and iniquities, for which I was tormented with the pains of hell; yea, I saw that I had rebelled against my God, and that I had not kept his holy commandments. Yea, and I had murdered many of his children, or rather led them away unto destruction; yea, and in fine so great had been my iniquities, that the very thought of coming into the presence of my God did rack my soul with inexpressible horror. Oh, thought I, that I could be banished and become extinct both soul and body, that I might not be brought to stand in the presence of my God, to be judged of my deeds. And now, for three days and for three nights was I racked, even with the pains of a damned soul.

(Book of Mormon | Alma 36:11 - 16)

And thus did the Spirit of the Lord work upon them, for they were the very vilest of sinners.  And the Lord saw fit in his infinite mercy to spare them; nevertheless they suffered much anguish of soul because of their iniquities, suffering much and fearing that they should be cast off forever.

(Book of Mormon | Mosiah 28:4)

Now Bobby, that is the predicament in which I myself was found, for Even though, I have been a member of the church for as long as I can remember, and after strong beliefs, many testimonies and heavenly manifestations, I could not make myself obedient to the commandments of God. I never thought to ever leave the church, but I was one the vilest sinners, even though I had been baptized and was an ordained priest. And I fell or descended very low, even below all things like Paul, Alma and even the sons of Mosiah. And my soul was racked with pain, it was unbearable to bear. Three days of fasting will not cut it for me. The LORD was angry at me. And he was not going to make my return from the pit of hell easy. I had to plead and fast for forty days and forty nights.  Twenty one of them were complete abstinence. MY flesh decayed as if dead. I could feel the vermin of a spiritually dead man crawling around my flesh. And after much trial, the Lord came to me and baptized me with fire and with the Holy Ghost. And I became a new creature, even a new born. On that day O forgot everything and became like a little child.  The sweet Joy I felt when I was born again, was a great or as exquisite as my suffering. As Christ, and those whom I have mentioned above, I became acquainted with grief. On that late and infernal October, Mount Miguel was on fire. Literally.



mt miguel on fire



So great were the sins that I had on me, that on that clear night, somewhere around 4:AM on October 21-21 of 2007, a think cloud gathered from nowhere and surrounded me. I felt that the finger of God touched my forehead. Then the cloud fled to the West from where I live. Then I went back to try to sleep. And when I woke up, I saw in the news that Seven great fires sprang out of no where in the West and said in Very big and bold letters. Mount Miguel is on fire.  And ever since I have preached the gospel of repentance and begun to fire at filthy souls.

I testify that these things are incredible but true. As Joseph Smith said concerning the first vision he had or as Paul before Agrippa, I do not blame people or anyone under heaven for that matter, for not believing me or my story. I would not have believed it myself had I not experienced these things. Ever since, the scriptures are open unto me. Ever since I see and hear things that the natural man cannot see. And because I will not take back my words or deny the truth, I have suffered in great anguish and persecution even the insufferable as if I were the marred servant. As a result, I have been sent to mental hospitals and even to jail, committed against my will to observation and poisoned with deadly substances. The language of prayer or of the scriptures is very threatening to people. And they I suppose are not obligated to believe me and therefore, they have to take by law certain precautions.  I believe much and that is why I see and do much. And as a missionary leader in the area where I am assigned to work, I am sent out to proclaim all these things, first to influence people for good and if not to reprove them or fail them and take away their justification. For if I who was the weakest of the weak repented, so they can if the do a little work. And unless they do what I did or become  born again, they will have to suffer, as we have suffered. And It is better to suffer these things here temporarily than to suffer them forever in the living hell. 

And what the lord says unto one he says unto all. And of these things I testify solemnly and humbly, as one having authority  in the sacred name of Jesus Christ amen.

 Yours Trully From an unworthy servant in the hands of Christ.

Miguel Angel tinoco Rodfriguez

Wherefore, fear and tremble, O ye people, for what I the Lord have decreed in them shall be fulfilled. And verily I say unto you, that they who go forth, bearing these tidings unto the inhabitants of the earth, to them is power given to seal both on earth and in heaven, the unbelieving and rebellious; Yea, verily, to seal them up unto the day when the wrath of God shall be poured out upon the wicked without measure— Unto the day when the Lord shall come to recompense unto every man according to his work, and measure to every man according to the measure which he has measured to his fellow man.

Wherefore the voice of the Lord is unto the ends of the earth, that all that will hear may hear: Prepare ye, prepare ye for that which is to come, for the Lord is nigh; And the anger of the Lord is kindled, and his sword is bathed in heaven, and it shall fall upon the inhabitants of the earth.

And the arm of the Lord shall be revealed; and the day cometh that they who will not hear the voice of the Lord, neither the voice of his servants, neither give heed to the words of the prophets and apostles, shall be cut off from among the people; For they have strayed from mine ordinances, and have broken mine everlasting covenant; They seek not the Lord to establish his righteousness, but every man walketh in his own way, and after the image of his own god, whose image is in the likeness of the world, and whose substance is that of an idol, which waxeth old and shall perish in Babylon, even Babylon the great, which shall fall.